Dr Tim Brown, DC - Creativity Meets Clinical Mastery
In this conversation, Dr. Tim Brown shares his extensive journey in sports chiropractic, discussing his early influences as an athlete, the development of innovative techniques like SPRT, and the importance of a holistic approach to athlete care. He emphasizes the need for curiosity, continuous learning, and the significance of teaching the next generation of practitioners. Dr. Brown also reflects on the challenges of the business side of innovation and the lessons learned from working with professional athletes.
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Beau Beard (00:03.2)
he's still with us.
Dr Tim Brown (00:20.706)
first snag.
Beau Beard (00:23.937)
Okay
Beau Beard (01:36.684)
Hey, I don't know what happened. Well, we'll figure it. It's all good. Let's get going. Like I said, we'll catch up and record and use whatever we want. yeah, if you don't mind, I have a quick story. I don't even know if you'll remember this. I think it was either Pro Sport Vegas. I'm thinking that's what it was. I saw you speak and I, man, that had to be 2015 or 16. I was fairly new into practice and your talk was the keynote and
Dr Tim Brown (01:37.588)
Round two.
Dr Tim Brown (02:03.593)
Right?
Beau Beard (02:06.944)
I, this is going to sound like a sideways like compliment. I think they thought you were going to talk about something different. I loved every second of it, but you were talking about, you know, spirals and Fibonacci sequence and you know, human movement from your perspective. And like, I went up to you afterwards and I was like, man, I appreciate that talk so much. Thank you. And then you were gracious enough and you said, Hey, if you want to come out and help work the WSL event and you know, I got a license, it didn't work out. But anyways, that was my
formal introduction to you. knew who you were prior to that, but obviously I'd never met you. So I want to give you another thank you, which is a long time coming. And then, you know, we can build off that obviously a whole lot. Yeah. You, you know, you have been, God, how many, how many years in practice now? Like, what are we going on this year?
JP (02:43.932)
Travis.
Dr Tim Brown (02:47.06)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (02:55.392)
You know, it's gotta be like 40, 40 plus.
Beau Beard (02:59.758)
So you're, again, when I say OG, that's a loving term. And OG in the best way in terms of, yeah, well, yeah, that's a problem in itself. But give me just a quick rundown. Like I kind of know a little bit of the story here, but for people that are listening that may not, you know, the quick on like maybe how you got into chiropractic, but specifically sports chiropractic, like what sent you down the path that you've been on for the past 40 years?
Dr Tim Brown (03:03.584)
At least I know what it means.
Dr Tim Brown (03:28.959)
Yeah, I think it's probably similar to many sports chiropractors. You know, I was just an injured athlete, injured a lot. I played high school baseball, volleyball and football. And then, you know, I surfed a lot. And so I was kind of constantly getting injured because there wasn't really anything other than if you want to get in shape, you got to lift weights back in you know, the 70s and the 80s when I was coming up. So.
You know, it was really that and it was really my dissatisfaction with not the heart of these guys, the orthopedic surgeon and the trainers on the football team were great guys, but they were very limited. They were taught to do certain things, know, hot packs, ultrasound, you know, an ice pack. And then the, you know, the orthopedist was going to shoot you, pill you or cut you. you know, and none of those things I really enjoyed. So I was really curious and
wondered what could I do to prevent number one, having to be in that training room. What could I do in the off season that could make my body better? I was very curious about that. And back then it was just lifting. So I weighed 50 pounds more than I do today playing college football just based on iron and eating. And, you know, if I could do it over again, it certainly wouldn't be the route, you know, it'd be more mobility. I played at 225 and I should have played at 195.
you know, and been super, well, not super quick, because that just didn't go with me at all, but quicker and certainly more pliable because it was really the lack of mobility that I felt that I was missing as an athlete that I never really learned how to get into changing until, you know, I was way out of sports in college and then.
Even further in, played pro beach volleyball as well after football. And to lose the weight, I did two years of triathlons and changed my body. But still, even that later on in my career, I finished playing pro beach. I qualified when I was 42 for the Manhattan Open. That was my last big event. And even then, I was still just barely scratching the surface of mobility.
Dr Tim Brown (05:51.336)
You know, and of course I've taken it from there, because I still like to surf a lot and being an older guy, you know, usually you go to a longer board when you get older and I'm kind of refusing to do that. You can kind of see a couple of my quiver behind me here. They're small boards and I hope to stay on my small boards, but you have to earn that. And I think that that's my story that I'm able to translate into action for the athletes that I work with today.
Beau Beard (06:19.022)
So I'm hearing, and again, I'd like to get specific on maybe when you actually realize, cause like your story, I can't believe how similar, I've never heard that specific of it. playing football, was, you know, corn fed Midwestern kid. I'm actually, this is my normal size and same thing. I was up at 225 trying to play defensive end outside linebacker. I would have been way better off to a not play maybe football that long and try that hard to stay that big, but just play my weight or play other sports.
Dr Tim Brown (06:33.287)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (06:39.281)
Wow.
Beau Beard (06:48.398)
the fact that you realize maybe how early things weren't optimized. You're like, oh, I'm doing this and I'm doing it at a high enough level to play collegially. But then also how that parallels maybe things that you've seen within our profession in terms of why did you develop some of the things you did and why did you start to think differently? So how early was it? Was it in college when you were playing football and you're like, God, I'm not able to do things that other people are.
you know, doing or was it when you got into practice or into school, you realize like, oh gosh, I wish I could go back now.
Dr Tim Brown (07:21.137)
Yeah, was more as the latter. I back in the day when I was in school, you didn't have like, you know, videos and Instagram and all that kind of stuff. So when you got somebody's information, it was really treasured. So I used to get VHS videos of my surf hero, Jerry Lopez from Hawaii, who I ended up in it. Yeah. Who I ended up meeting and becoming good friends with at.
Beau Beard (07:41.422)
Yeah, we got him on the wall in here.
Dr Tim Brown (07:49.881)
at pipeline over on the North Shore. But he's the guy that really triggered my thinking because he was the first guy, the first high level athlete that I knew that was into yoga. And he got deeply into it. And I mean, the guy was just, you you just kind of one of those guys, you just want to, you know, if I could just be like him a little bit, you know, then life would be a lot better. And just because he was just.
Beau Beard (08:03.896)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (08:16.463)
as an athlete at such a high level and as a guy that could live in the present, know, nobody better. And then a guy that was into yoga, doing these postures and poses that, you know, you'd see every once while or hear about, you know, about these guys over in India doing it. He was that advanced. He was really into it. And he is to this day and he's in his late seventies and still surfing and teaching. But that was my first inspiration to Holy Smokes.
Beau Beard (08:42.008)
Bye.
Dr Tim Brown (08:46.301)
This guy can really move and he can translate that movement into his sport. I need some of that, but I really didn't. I didn't dig yoga. You know, I didn't dig. I didn't have the patience, so I was hunting for something that was more of a hybrid of yoga. And that's kind of, you know, it's taken me all these years, but in the last, say, 10 or 15 years, yeah, probably closer to 15. I've really been into movement and.
Beau Beard (08:54.306)
I think that's a good point.
Dr Tim Brown (09:15.188)
and combining things like yoga, jiu-jitsu, gymnastics, flow work, and just putting these movements together, because my attention span is so short, Bo, I need to kind of create a flow where I can stick these things together and I'm not stuck in one position with myself for too long.
Beau Beard (09:37.016)
So again, I don't know the specific timeline, so like kind of lay this out for me. So you, you you go to Kyra school, you get out, I know the history pieces from, you know, what's written in a biography, but you know, how early did you start working with, you know, whether it was, you know, pro surfers or pro volleyball or what was first, but what I also want to know in there, what was the catalyst for things like SPRT, like the taping and like I said, these kind of, these new ideas, was it like a forced,
Dr Tim Brown (10:03.408)
Yeah.
Beau Beard (10:06.616)
where you're like, need, like people need this, I'm finding a need for it. Or you're like, hey, I have ideas, this works different. Like what was, you know, what was the catalyzing effect, but first where, where did you start? Or like, what was the first few years of practice like for you?
Dr Tim Brown (10:17.946)
Yeah, yeah, thanks. I was asked to, you know, to become the medical director for Pro Beach volleyball. was playing, competing, treating some of the top guys, certainly not playing at their level, but enough to be able to qualify to get my butt kicked by them. But they, you know, they got 30 million bucks handed to them by Miller Lite and said, hey, you guys need to form this, you know, professional
pro tour of beach volleyball throughout the United States. And so it was one of those volunteer things where everybody takes one big step backwards and I'm out there standing by myself and I which was cool. I was treating a lot of the guys, you know, I'd lose early in the matches and break out my table. I was probably more known for that than my volleyball skills. But I allowed I spoke the language, but you know, I had the same injuries as them. And that is a great lesson for all of us out there is that
Beau Beard (11:10.734)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (11:16.825)
you know, do what you're comfortable with. You know, if you can speak the language of a certain thing, whether it's a skill set or a sport or a technology, if you can speak that language, boy, it gives you a leg up. And so I was asked to become medical director and I was working with surfers along the way as well, because living in Newport Beach, there's a, you know, a big surf population here and a lower percentage of them were, you know, super high level surfers.
So they asked me to work with them. So that was kind of how it was I was just kind of I was gifted but Today I'm asked on almost a daily basis How can I get involved with the pro surfing tour or the pro volleyball tour or this or that and back in the day? It was just like hey show up with your table and spend some time and let them know that you're there to really help them And I encourage people to do that today obviously in more niche areas
you know, whether it's frisbee golf or quilting, it doesn't matter if it's something that you do and something you're passionate about, people are gonna know that and they're gonna respect you for that, not only that, but then your knowledge about the body and what you can do to amplify their abilities to live a high quality of life.
Beau Beard (12:30.19)
So where at or what sport or was it a specific sport that kind of started you thinking different or trying things? it more experimentation or was it like, man, I just think they're wrong on something the way they're going about, whether it's taping or soft tissue. Like what was the catalyst there for some of the things you're still to this day tweaking and honing and teaching?
Dr Tim Brown (12:38.862)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (12:46.809)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (12:51.099)
Yeah, it's kind of all that. know, I was out there. They gave me free reign to build a medical team. every stop that we had on the map and maybe there was 20 stops in a season around the United States, I would gather, make phone calls. Because again, this was, you know, the Internet wasn't even out yet. You know, you're making phone calls and and hoping that, you know, the person that you're getting is the person that the resume, you know, stated they were. And oftentimes that wasn't. But that's another story, too.
But it allowed me to bring orthopedists, physical therapists, chiro's, athletic trainers, sports massage therapists, performance specialists, nutritionists, all out there on the same field of play, all out there with equal clout and everybody able to contribute who was qualified to contribute per injury or per situation.
And so, you know, it wouldn't be unusual for us to have four or five different specialists on the table with an athlete that just came in with an injury. And then we, you know, go through the history of it and find out, okay, who's, what's the objective here and who's best to allow that athlete to accomplish that objective. Maybe it's two or three of us. Maybe it's allopathic combined with natural. It was up to the athlete. We wanted them to have just what I always wanted, which was a smorgasbord, a buffet to choose from.
And boy did that really gathered a lot of steam and met a ton of people that were really, really open to, hey, it's not about us the practitioner, it's about the athlete. It's about educating the athlete. It's about them being the priority and teaching them how to stay out of the tent. That was really the goal. know, we know we are what we eat, think, and do. So within those three things,
we find where those imbalances are and we do our best to educate that athlete so that they learn how to fish as opposed to us just giving them the fish the whole time.
Beau Beard (14:52.942)
Had you been introduced to that integrated model prior like collegiate athletics or?
Dr Tim Brown (14:56.577)
No, it was just something I craved. It was just innate. You we talk about innate intelligence. Boy, I just wanted that to happen because nobody knows it all. You know, I certainly learned that in school. There's too much to know. So and then with regards to SPRT, how that all started was very organic. We're working on the athletes. They're playing multiple matches in a day where they're out in the hot sand and they're playing, you know, five or six hours hardcore ball.
Beau Beard (15:04.974)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (15:25.721)
And so hydration was key, tissue work was key, but back in those days, back in the 80s, you're doing deep tissue work on these guys. They're feeling great getting off the table. They go out and play like crap, right? Because we learned not to go deep. There's a thing called the Arndt-Schultz principle we use with SPRT, and it's how homeopathic medicine was built on that principle that light stim, light.
Beau Beard (15:40.334)
Hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (15:53.335)
light pressure stimulates physiology, deep pressure depresses it. So instead of them feeling great when they get off the table and then go competing at the highest level they've ever competed, it wasn't working that way. So we had to come up with a way that was not just a chiropractic adjustment, but that was actual tissue work, but it wouldn't depress their physiology. And so...
Beau Beard (16:16.366)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (16:18.258)
I had learned about a guy named Vladimir Yanda through a physical therapist that was on the staff. And I started to study Vladimir Yanda. He was a neurologist that had polio as a kid. And that's what drove his interest in rehabilitation as opposed to a classic neurology practice. And so he spoke about, don't forget about the skin. The skin is a tremendous asset to work when you're working on
someone's physical ailments and he went over, you know, about the cutaneous nervous system, all these nerve receptors that are in our skin. And we talk about that with something called Hilton's Law. Hilton's Law states that every soft tissue structure underneath the skin grows nerves into the skin. So if we're talking about a joint, if we're talking about a capsule, it's growing nerves all the way through the soft tissue fascia.
muscle all the way back into the skin and it gives us an afferent way to be able to communicate with that. And so quite frankly, I didn't start with the soft tissue work. I saw that as an opportunity to create a new taping system. And I woke up in the middle of the night at one of these events and I had this vision of basically taping torn anatomy. So if something's torn,
Beau Beard (17:26.734)
Hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (17:40.042)
I figured out a way to build a lever at one side of the tear and then take that lever and pull it across and basically knit the two ends back together. And that was the whole premise of SPRT to start is like, hey, we don't have to wrap them like a mummy anymore. We can approximate those tissues together and instantly because it's a neurological thing, you're gonna get an instant result.
And so the patient's gonna be able to give you better feedback, whether to put more force into it or less force into it. The only problem was we really didn't have the technology to keep up with that philosophy. yeah, so I was, I'm sorry.
Beau Beard (18:20.792)
That was my question, what existed then?
Beau Beard (18:26.496)
Yeah, what existed then in terms of like tape like, you know, Luko tape, I'm sure was around and obviously cotton athletic tape, but like what were you using for it at that point in time?
Dr Tim Brown (18:34.305)
Yeah. Yeah, good question. It was, I had to write different trainers in different countries. Like couldn't email them, right? Didn't have that. That wasn't in play yet. So I just, you know, I read about, I looked up as many practitioners in different countries that I couldn't, said, hey, what are you guys using over there? What's your best tape? What has the best adhesive properties? What moves with the body best? And so I got this stuff called Pink Tape from London.
I got Luca tape from a guy in Germany. got the cover roll was already being used over here in the United States and found out about that through McConnell taping in Australia. And I took all these different tapes and then just started to blend them together. though it was working, I mean, the line was growing each week outside of the tent. So we knew something was working right here. And then, Bo, I was asked to speak about it.
I'm going, uh-oh. Yeah, like what are you doing that causes this result? And I, you know, I didn't know. I really, my education wasn't at that level. And so I had to dive deep into the neurophysiology of the skin and how the body responds. And we had learned a lot about an afferent nervous system in school and so forth and stimulating it that way. So I explained it the best I could, but now we know, holy smokes.
Beau Beard (19:35.808)
explain the results.
Beau Beard (20:02.658)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (20:03.351)
Necessity being the mother of invention as it was there took me to the university of now and really allowed me to study function in a way that I had never dreamed about studying it. Then I found out about kinesiology tape. That was still over in Japan at the time. They had just formed Kinesiology America.
Beau Beard (20:25.485)
Maddie.
Dr Tim Brown (20:32.416)
kind of a group over here. And so I got their number and I called them and I said, look, I've got this idea for using your tape. What do you guys do with your tape? And it wasn't about proprioception. It wasn't about sports industry and injuries and approximating tissues. It was about lymphedema. It was about helping the body move fluid. So I thought, okay, that's cool, but that's not what I'm doing. So I think I can move forward with this.
Beau Beard (20:52.27)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (20:59.956)
And so I started to combine the Leuko tape with a kinesiology tape. So the Leuko tape would act as a mechanical support, right? We'd approximate it mechanically and use the rigid tape to strap over the top of that lip. And then I would put kinesiology tape on in the opposite direction because using the principles of elastic, wherever you anchor kinesiology tape, that's where it's gonna drift towards when you lay it down.
So I started to do that and holy smokes, it just blew up. We didn't have enough tape, we didn't have enough time to get everybody taped up. Everybody wanted that magic stuff on them. That was before you saw just K-tape on everybody's body everywhere. But we were super stoked on that. And then when I was asked to speak about it, I learned more about physiology. So I thought, holy smokes, why don't I use some of this technique on the skin?
soft tissue wise, I don't even have to touch the muscle. I can talk to the nerve that's in the skin or it's in the superficial fascia and not have to go any deeper than that. And it's going to tell the body the information I need to give it. And, you know, I mean, it's basically history from there. It's just it from the first day we tried it, it worked miracles, miracles, right. But we were able to say, hey, if you come in and see us,
Beau Beard (21:56.974)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (22:25.405)
We can just about guarantee you at the minimum you're going to get 50 % improvement and at the top you're going to get 80 to 90 % improvement with one treatment based upon your presenting symptoms. And today we can kind of still back that up saying, you know, we're not going to treat your injury. We're going to treat what we think is causing it. We're going to look for where you're moving poorly, where your quality of movement is poor, your quality of soft tissue is poor.
So if I get you in a 90-90 position right now, Bo, and you're like, can't go upright, I feel this pressure in my hip, I mean, you're telling me where I've got to work on. You're telling me where the tissue is unhealthy, where it's matted, where it's either overused or underused, but it's not sliding and gliding like it needs to. And so, Bo, basically what I do is I follow the body's inability to move well when I'm working on somebody.
Beau Beard (23:19.246)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (23:21.565)
If I'm working on the shoulder or rotator cuff, the last thing I work on is the rotator cuff. I'm working on everything that's mechanically or pulling on it from a sensorimotor perspective. Why beat up a tissue that's already beat up? But if I can take the restraints off that tissue and it can flow back into a neutral posture, we can create joint centration. That's the ultimate, isn't it?
Beau Beard (23:27.159)
Hmm.
Beau Beard (23:45.326)
Well, I'm curious. So obviously you've had, you know, decades to think about, you know, like, it's like a lot of things, honestly, in science in general, we don't, we think it goes backwards, but everything starts with a theory. And the theory is usually a proposition of, I think this could happen, or there's other things that are working like this, let's use this. But I'm just curious, and maybe the last year or two, because you've been doing this for a while now, has anything
Dr Tim Brown (24:09.541)
Hahaha
Beau Beard (24:11.966)
maybe not changed what you're doing, but you're like, that's maybe explaining more of this or something that came to surface just now. You're saying 40 years or maybe it's, 35, because this was in a practice, you know, three decades later, like, well, shit, we're still finding stuff out that could be explaining this. Is there anything that's popped up where you're like, that's that's a cool thing that we've learned about?
Dr Tim Brown (24:31.324)
Right. Oh, my gosh, yes. You know, when I was in school, both you go into dissection, right. And then the first day they go, OK, here's the body. And if you we have this stuff, we
pulled off the body, you're not really going to need to know about it, doesn't do anything. It's just a wrapper. This tissue is called fascia. Don't worry about it. It's over in the trash if you want to get a look at it. And so for me, Bo, fascia in the last five years has become kind of you know, borderline obsession to understand more about it because holy smokes, the more you get into it, the more you find out that there's so much more to know.
You know, not just from a physical perspective, but from the emotional perspective, from a fluid exchange perspective, you know, a highway going through our body, right? It's insane. So, yeah, it's fascia.
Beau Beard (25:20.162)
immunological area.
Beau Beard (25:27.158)
Yeah, well, is that okay? So has that changed anything whether that's with soft tissue or tape or you're like, I've learned a little bit more about, know, this, you know, named a new organ. I'm air quoting that because that's I think it's funny, but I get it. But is there anything changed like technique wise? You're like, man, we kind of tweak this or hone this based upon that information.
Dr Tim Brown (25:40.017)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (25:47.976)
You know, it hasn't changed it, it's amplified it. It's just, it's made it more clear what we're doing and why it gets this crazy result. You know, I never had an expectation for it to get a result better than deep tissue when I started doing this stuff. I'm going, it's a placeholder until we figure something out, you know? And we really haven't, this thing is just.
Beau Beard (25:58.734)
Mm-hmm.
Beau Beard (26:04.322)
You just needed something different. Yeah. Same result. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (26:14.557)
kind of blown up and the stories that I hear about people that get treated with it and the miraculous recoveries they make is really heartwarming and further motivates me to know even more.
Beau Beard (26:25.838)
Well, now I'm having legitimate FOMO because I haven't taken a course. know enough to be dangerous just from watching you speak about it on stage and obviously watching everything that you put out online. Yeah, now I'll have to make a track. So, kind of, you know, a broader question here. And I asked it before in terms of like different thinking from when you were playing sports to have an aha moments of like, God, I wish I could have done things different or now I am doing things different later in life. In the sports medicine world, it was necessity.
right, like, you know, the mother of invention, you're like, I gotta do these things. But do you feel like you've had a natural proclivity to see things different than other people or kind of an innovative side that you're just kind of a creative side because we can talk about IntelliSkin or, you know, some of the other things, but it seems like you're always innovating, whether that's a soft tissue technique, taping, IntelliSkin, know, Genastica, like we'll talk about all this stuff, but is that just you?
Or is that just curiosity? Like, what do think that is? Like, is that, what is that?
Dr Tim Brown (27:27.911)
Yeah, I'm ridiculously curious. I have a need to know. I'm a knowledge junkie. But more in particular things. I mean, we all do things in a Machiavellian way. I mean, if we're calling a straight shot here, I wanted to be able to be an athlete my whole life. This getting old stuff is for the birds, you know? And so, you know, I really believe that we get a whole new body on the inside every year, most of our parts.
Beau Beard (27:50.094)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (27:57.54)
And so to be able to amplify our nutrition, hydration mindset, let alone what we do with our body has been a key to my motivation, certainly. But I haven't really changed a whole bunch with regards to what we're talking about. We've changed how we explain it a bit because we know more now what we're doing, but yeah.
Beau Beard (28:18.883)
Mm-hmm.
Beau Beard (28:24.448)
What, okay, so let's jump a little bit. again, you talked a lot about volleyball. Obviously you've been a lifelong, know, surfer yourself, gotten involved with like professional surfing still to this day, but was something within the surf world, the catalyst for Intelliskin? Cause I know that it kind of started almost, or at least I think I know that it started somewhat as a rash guard with some sort of proprioceptive input, but what was the big catalyst with that?
Dr Tim Brown (28:46.224)
Right, right. Well, that was from a guy named Sinjin Smith, who's a Hall of Fame beach pro beach volleyball player who would call me up no matter where he was playing in Europe or whatever and say, hey, talk to this trainer, tell him how to do your SPRT stuff. So because I need to have it and then.
Beau Beard (29:09.794)
I'm sure those trainers love that because we know the ego in our professional. Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (29:14.245)
Yeah, it's really wild. Some are beautiful, some are just like, you know, just the anti. And it's like, God, I get a chance to learn, I'm all over it. I don't care where it's coming from. Somebody's got a different experience than me. That's, you know, I'm all in. But anyways, so he goes, he goes, hey, would you like me to stop calling you up from Europe and stuff in the middle of the night? And I go, well, that would be just fine. I'd appreciate that.
Beau Beard (29:23.31)
you
Dr Tim Brown (29:40.07)
You know, I'm here to help, but, and he goes, well, why don't you build me something I can put on and take off without having to call you up or put some tape on my skin? And I just went, yeah. Okay, you know, I'm down with something like that. And I literally woke up that night, 2.30 in the morning. That's kind of my wake up time when I have inspiration. You talk about, you know, my creative side a little bit. And that's something that I got gifted.
Beau Beard (29:52.398)
Yeah.
Beau Beard (30:09.326)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (30:09.681)
I can look at a brace, I can look at a situation and see a different way, not always the best way, but a different way to maybe accomplish the same thing in there. anyways, anyways, Sinjin called up, he said that, or I saw him, he said that I woke up in the morning. I completely saw exactly what I had to do to build Sinjin Rotator Cuff support system. And so I had a wetsuit, I was traveling, had a wetsuit in my bag.
had the hotel sewing kit and my training scissors. I cut up that wetsuit, I sewed in some straps, I Velcroed those straps and created that night before we woke up, I had the first, I called it the shoulder controller because it was unilateral. And so what I did is I put a strap at the coracoid process, a strap at the rotator cuff on the glenohumeral joint and then Velcroed them back down around the body.
Beau Beard (30:55.906)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (31:07.633)
And this is when we talk about the Fibonacci sequence here because this shoulder aligns with the opposite hip. So those are the ideal angles that you want to put somebody at when you're strapping them. And that's what we did. And wild enough, Sinjin's partner, Randy Stoklos, who is about a 6'5", 230 pound, just a giant, his shoulder blew out the day before. And so Sinjin goes, hey man,
Randy needs it more than I do. And I'm going, look, I'm six feet, 180 pounds, Randy's six, five and, you know, too many. And he goes, well, just let him try it. And so he puts it on, he forces it on. And he just looks at me afterwards after we strapped him up and he goes, you're not getting this back. And I went, wow, okay. I mean, that's good and bad. I still have that somewhere, that little support system somewhere. But anyways.
Beau Beard (32:01.388)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (32:05.124)
You know, a guy that's that big saying, you're not going to get it back, I kind of just fold it. But anyways, that became the beginning of it. And then from there, instead of wetsuit, we used the rash guard material and different Velcros. so it's been an adventure of building something from nothing, just from a concept. But it also lets me encourage other people to do the same. mean, you know, I'm a beat up, often concussed football player and I'm coming up with this stuff. So
Beau Beard (32:29.038)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (32:34.551)
If I can pull it off, I know you can.
Beau Beard (32:37.294)
Well, I'm just curious, let's take a segue. So in terms, if you don't mind, from the business side, whether it's your practice, Intelliskin, helping development of some of these leagues, how much have you, I know obviously you always have to be involved in the business aspects of these things to some degree. Do you enjoy that? Have you stayed involved with things like Intelliskin from the business processes? Where do you kind of sit on the fence of like,
hey, I wanna be a physician and I wanna kinda like, you know, get as much of that offloaded or tasked away or you're like, hey, I kinda dig some of those aspects too.
Dr Tim Brown (33:13.81)
Yeah, know punches pulled here. I've been ripped off for about everything that I've built so far. Unfortunately, I've had about 10 utility patents that I've been granted and awarded. unfortunately, I've lost all of them to business because I'm a
a guy that says, contract sign here, sign there, we both sign it, then we're both protected and good. And that's just not the way business works in the real world, especially if you're talking about something that might blow up. If someone has a contract and they don't want to go buy it, if they've got the money, they don't have to go buy it. You have to then take them to court.
Beau Beard (33:49.579)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (34:02.52)
And then if someone's got the money, they know that that's gonna happen and you're gonna get awarded something and then they're gonna appeal it. And they're gonna appeal it until you don't have anything left. And unfortunately, that's been my experience. don't wanna, you know, I wanna encourage everybody to get out there and try their stuff, but just be very well protected as best you can. That's all you can do. And I'm sure not everyone out there is...
Beau Beard (34:09.006)
Mm-hmm.
Beau Beard (34:12.461)
Okay.
Beau Beard (34:22.254)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (34:30.671)
sees us as a mark, but certainly they've saw me as a mark and they were correct. So that's why I'm back to teaching the SPRT stuff and my apparel and all that stuff's on hold because I don't want to get sued for something that I'm inventing. You know what I mean? It's been a nightmare. Yeah, I did a thing with Rip Curl last year. I designed some cool shorts, underboard shorts with Mick Fanning.
Beau Beard (34:50.254)
Just, ugh.
Dr Tim Brown (35:00.719)
three-time world champ and so I just mimic the taping that I did with him on tour and completely different than in teleskin but Rip Curl got a letter of cease and desist and you know it just it's it's it's a real hassle even though I'm trying to bring something new and fresh and different to the world it's tough when somebody's kind of got your number
Beau Beard (35:22.606)
Well, and that's it. is, you know, maybe that sounds like it has a negative downside, which it obviously does, but it's good for people in our industry, people that are going to try to innovate or experiment. They need to hear that stuff because I mean, at the end of the day, it's not maybe all about. Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (35:32.749)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're welcome to hit me up. If I can help anybody, Bo, if I can help anybody that's coming up the ladder, that's one of the things I think I'm pretty good at is hopefully saving you at least two or three rungs on the ladder. And hopefully that's meaningful.
Beau Beard (35:49.934)
you
Beau Beard (35:53.688)
Well, if we live in a world where celebrities can get sued for using their likeness that they've sold or somehow pawned off, then anything's up for grabs. So yeah, I hit Tim up if we can give him, if somebody's interested in down that pathway. Yeah, look for a mentor. I think that's the best advice we could say. Well, outside of specific industries, if we kind of said, like you said, you were doing something with Rip Curl. I know you're involved currently with Hurley and Red Bull and I mean, probably
Dr Tim Brown (36:09.698)
Yeah, absolutely.
Beau Beard (36:21.952)
a bunch of other stuff I don't know about. Obviously, you said you got gifted, the thing with pro volleyball, because you were playing and it was just kind of like, was organic. What's it looking like these days? mean, you, within our profession, I, the crazy thing is, you're an OG to me, and then for like, have interns in here when I mention I'm gonna do a podcast, and this sucks, they didn't know who you were, and I was like, you have to know who this guy is, because like,
For me, the way you think is what we need more of, not just in our profession, just medicine in general, right? Of, let's be innovative, let's put the athlete or the patient at the center of care, and then let's be creative. Like use what you know to help somebody and then that helps everybody, including you. But when it comes to these opportunities, is this now organic that, I've built a little notoriety, I've got a kind of placeholder in these, obviously, you know, with Hurley being in the surf world.
Dr Tim Brown (36:56.121)
Mm.
Beau Beard (37:17.46)
Is this just things that people are reaching out to you or are you still on a stage of your career where you're seeking? Like you're going out and like, hey, I want to do these things. Like how have these kinds of things landed in your lap versus like the early days?
Dr Tim Brown (37:28.875)
Yeah, fortunately I've left little bonfires where I've gone, you know, through my career and, and, and, and,
you know, some take a while to catch. so I'm still being kind of reached out to, I should say, to consult whether it's, you know, whether it's apparel or taping or soft tissue or, you know, just training athletes. I'm working with these two athletes right now. They're twins. They're both world champion in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, the Rotolo brothers. And so, you know, looking at all
Beau Beard (38:01.87)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (38:05.654)
what's going on in their whole circle. You know, that's kind of what I'm tasked with is looking for holes in the game so that they can continue to, you know, in their aspirations to be. Now they're moving on to MMA and they both just won their first fights in MMA. That's check them out. If you guys are into that, holy smokes. It's like watching someone take over a sport with such new techniques and such great innovation.
It's just wild to watch. These kids have been rolling since they're like two years old. They're both in their early 20s now, but holy smoke, can they roll. So still working with different athletes, different sports. It's really, Bo, what I found is that an athlete is an athlete and an athlete needs to move. An athlete needs to breathe. Athlete needs to, there are basic fundamentals for every athlete. I don't care for what sport. If I was working with Kobe,
Or if I'm working with, you know, Cantlay from the PGA Tour back in the day with Kobe, I'm looking at the same stuff. Of course, they're going to have areas that are different and short and tight and overused because of their sport. But the premise remains the same. We've got to move really well in our ankles, our hips and our thoracic spine and rib cage. If you don't move well there, you're going to be broken. And if you're not broken now, you will be broken soon. It's predictable.
Beau Beard (39:13.314)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (39:33.982)
And so teaching these athletes the basics of what they have to have, what is compulsory for an athlete to take responsibility for. That's really what I'm doing my best to drive home now. I can't do it. I can get you loose. I can make some tremendous changes for you clinically. But what holds it there are changes that you need to make that were the reason for you coming in to begin with.
And if you don't make those changes, I'm not that good. I don't know that anybody's that good. You must, to create a long-term change, you must change shapes. It's not done with a foam roller or a red bed. It's not. Those are great things and ancillary things, but they're bandages, they're aspirins if you're not making the changes that cause you to be there. I can't emphasize that enough,
Everything else is a joke to me.
Beau Beard (40:35.426)
What do you think some of the bigger self-imposed hurdles, whether it's athletes or the lay person lay down in their path that set them up to end up on your table? No.
Dr Tim Brown (40:46.645)
Sitting.
Dr Tim Brown (40:50.485)
Sitting, training really hard and then going and play video games or sitting on the couch or sitting at a computer or whatever it might be. mean, hardly, I can't think of too much that's worse for you. Turning off your electricity, seeing what happens physiologically when you sit, how those tissues now start to lose hydration and how they start to matte and glue themselves together.
Beau Beard (41:03.502)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (41:17.087)
you've got to pump physiology through there or you're going to turn into a scar. And if you don't make those changes, you know, I'm going to be the bandaid that I never wanted to be. And so it's like, tell them, you I appreciate it. You can help me pay my mortgage. Fantastic. I appreciate it. But I'd rather you be so stoked at what we did that you're telling everybody in the world about what we just accomplished. And so for me, that's my goal. My goal is to not see my patients.
When I started to create that goal, I got busier than I ever wanted to be because it's the truth. Spit the truth and it's, you and your business consultant might not agree initially that you're trying to send business away, but who wants to spend their day at the doctor? Not me. So I want to design a program for that if you
Beau Beard (41:56.366)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (42:15.221)
bite into this thing and you drink the Kool-Aid and you start doing these movements and you get off the couch every night for half an hour and get on the floor. That's what's going to make the long term change. I wish it was me. Trust me, I wish it was all my cool work. But my work is just the spark for you being able to take over in your own life and being able to control your own problems. I never preach cure. I only preach control.
Beau Beard (42:42.04)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (42:44.777)
And if you want to learn how to control this thing, then you've got to cooperate and do these things or it's out of control and you're going to be back in pain.
Beau Beard (42:53.368)
Well, one of the cooler things in my office, which is just echoing what you're saying is all patients come in and they're like, hey, I told so and so to come into your office and, you know, and they'll, you know, kind of then reverberate. Well, they were kind of a little hesitant because you're a chiropractor, which is always kind of laughable. And they go, but I told them you're, like trying to get them to not come back. You're not like, you're like, yeah, which again, you're always like terrible business move kind of, but not really. Right.
Dr Tim Brown (43:08.202)
Wow, there you go.
Dr Tim Brown (43:18.26)
Yeah.
Beau Beard (43:18.35)
especially with athletes. If you're an athlete, you're gonna bang yourself up. It's a lifelong relationship, hopefully, if you're doing your job, right? It's not a get me out of back pain and yeah, never see you again. Well, you were talking about principles of the pillars of what people should be doing, athlete, lay person, to keep themselves off our tables or just healthy. And if you go to your website, you see eat, think, do. If I can go a layer deeper and kind of peel into the nerdy part of our profession,
Dr Tim Brown (43:24.929)
absolutely.
Beau Beard (43:46.658)
I wouldn't say it's a debate, but it's things we can talk about when we talk about a hands-on treatment, especially when we talk about like a neurophysiologic or a sensory motor aspect. Because now what we're saying is, well, there's two things going on, right? We have this kind of neurologic input that's driving physiology and vice versa. We also have sensory input that's driving motor and vice versa. So when we talk about, and I'm just going to use one example and then we can like kind of, know, rasp on it for a while. If we talk about like a movement restriction.
And I get this comes down to assessment and what's actually, know, like great, Gregor's great talking about this, like, you know, what's the most common restrictions, usually fascia. Well then, you know, how did they get that restriction? Probably cause they didn't move enough. Well, then we have a decision to make. Do we use a movement input to change fascia? Do we work on the fascia to change movement? Like, where do you land on that? Is it just, Hey, everybody's an N of one and it depends on what they need or Hey, there's a, there is kind of a hierarchy where we need to start when somebody comes in.
Dr Tim Brown (44:20.778)
Yeah. Mm.
Beau Beard (44:44.792)
And I know that's a hard question because it's nuanced, but if you can give us any info, I'd appreciate it.
Dr Tim Brown (44:49.541)
Yeah, I think I've got something for that. I look at five things. I five pillars of fitness with SPRT. And the first one is posture. It's non-negotiable. If you don't have good posture, no matter what I do below that fitness level, you're never going to reach your best, right? Because you'll never centrate. You don't have joint, you don't have good posture, you're never going to centrate. Second is breath work.
And these are all at the top and they can be done while someone's in an acute stage. They can start focusing on alignment and breath work. Because breath work is not only great to protect us, right, to help control core, but it's also a great neuromodulator. And so when someone's in pain, we can do breath work. It's a great time for them to learn diaphragmatic breathing because we're going to integrate that as they start to move down that list. So it goes posture, diaphragmatic breath, and then mobility.
And as I spoke before, those three areas of compulsory mobility are front of the ankle, right, dorsiflexion, full hip mobility, and then thoracic spine and rib cage mobility. So those areas, find, gosh, 90 plus percent of my problems that I treat, if I work on those areas, they're gone, certainly mitigated. And so that becomes then their assignment to say, okay,
Once we get out of this clinical stuff, these are the things that you have to maintain. This becomes your Bible. It may be someone who's got really, really terrible dorsiflexion and they've got a very flat arch. They need to work on foot mechanics, foot posture, dorsiflexion, and it's going to change how they move all the way up the body. Someone else, may be, you know, I've got terrible knee problems and that knee problem is stemming because they don't have full range of motion in the hip.
So we test the hips mobility and when we're testing the mobility, either they're pointing to the hip in certain areas or they're pointing to the knee saying when I try and get into this position for my hip, my knee hurts. Those are the things that we want to clean up. So that's critical that those three areas are handled at minimum. And then from mobility, then what goes to stability. So once we get them stable, and this is a really important lesson for everyone because I had to learn it the hard way.
Dr Tim Brown (47:09.487)
Once you get somebody super mobile, they then have to train for stability. They have to link that new mobility with the homunculus up here. If you got a hip that needs mobility, well, the homunculus up here also is being under stimulated. So when you get your hip mobilized, we also have to do things that coordinate the brain with that body part. That stability, right? The dynamic restraint system is connecting the brain to the nervous system, to the
to the soft tissue that helps to restrain that joint. So that's critical. And then finally, it's strength, it's load. And most people put load at the top of the list or close to the top of the list when they've got all these imbalances below and they end up feeling great for five weeks and then the physiology changes and their body blows up again and they're going, I can't wait to get back to lifting again.
They've missed this big chunk here. And this chunk is the yeoman's work, right? Adding load is what you get as a reward for doing all this other stuff. But if you put it in prematurely, they're gonna break. And this is what I see time and time again. And I'm talking about professional athletes, professional teams, collegiate teams, Olympic athletes. They're just as messed up as some of the juniors are depending on
Beau Beard (48:13.868)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Dr Tim Brown (48:37.243)
the environment that they've been into training.
Beau Beard (48:40.878)
Which what you just said, and this is not my perspective, if we looked at, you know, I think I was partly responsible for this, all kind of, you know, shame on myself is like, was still heavily involved with like rehab to performance, which is a student club, great student club that tries to, you know, we say bridge the gap from rehab to performance. And I'd say within that mindset became this very load management, load everything, load first mentality because we thought, oh, it's not good to be specific. Like we can't determine.
you know, posture, something we don't want to change. Oh, that hip range of motion. You can just load it. What I, and I saw this kind of progressing because again, when I was in school, I was learning it was sports medicine first. Does somebody have an injury or not? Okay. If they don't have a legitimate injury, now we're asking, okay, why are you in pain? Why is something getting mildly beat up? And we don't have to treat a torn ACL or torn rotator cuff from the physiologic standpoint, we can say, let's treat around and make sure that doesn't happen or it gets better without just like you said, focusing on the rotator cuff.
But then all of sudden it's gravitated into this load management, like let's just kind of deadlift for back pain and it's like form may or may not matter. And again, I mean, we basically just got your thoughts from your hierarchy there, which I completely echo, not just because I'm a fanboy of yours, but I think that's more on the way that we should be treating somebody. But my question to those people with that mindset would be like, why do we learn to assess somebody then?
If like posture doesn't matter and just we can load everybody and physiology, know, hypertrophy and movements going to demand a change. Well, when we get to the pro athlete level, that makes no sense at all. Cause these people are training and load managing. And I just, that's where I'm like, well, have you ever treated somebody at the top of their game? Like, what are you going to do with them? Like that's where that, that to me, that perspective breaks down. I'm like, well, then we take all these things from pro sports and they actually trickle back down to the lay person. So.
Dr Tim Brown (50:27.964)
Yeah.
Beau Beard (50:36.62)
It should be broke from the beginning. So when we talk about that, and say you're seeing a pro athlete for the first time, right? Or you have a high level person, you get a top performer, a great mover, Jerry Lopez, somebody that's just outstanding. And most pro athletes are pretty outstanding, whether that's their ability to compensate or how they move or a little bit of both. You go through that hierarchy.
but maybe they've been told something different. Maybe they've worked with somebody that was very lowed first, right? Do you have any, not like tips, but like how do you approach that, right? Like maybe those new grads, those students out there, somebody that's in practice and they're dealing with this every day with a patient. They Googled something, they looked something up and you're like, I just, think we need to work on it like this. And you could explain a bit, somebody could be like, well, yeah, but this other person said that. So again, you have buy-in because of who you are.
Dr Tim Brown (51:26.404)
Right.
Beau Beard (51:29.62)
Any words of advice to somebody that's like, man, I'm two years into practice. I don't have notoriety. How am I getting somebody to believe that they need to move better before they move more and eat better and drink more water? Like, how do you approach that?
Dr Tim Brown (51:42.185)
Yeah, think living what you teach is really, really important. And with that, I'll say there are certain docs, like there's a Dr. Andy Klein, who you might remember, and Dr. Joe Horrigan, who you might remember, keen on lifting. You know, they're looking at me like, you know, get back to the beach, go catch a wave, stick your head in the sand. And we talk and we're good friends and we're cool. We can work in that environment. But those guys have spent
Beau Beard (51:51.662)
Mm-hmm.
Beau Beard (52:02.444)
you
Dr Tim Brown (52:11.152)
you know, the last 30 years, 40 years working on lifting and understanding the lifting game. If you're at that level, you know, stick with what works for you is what I say. But here's my example. Mick Fanning came to me two years ago, right after he retired from pro surfing and he was still being sponsored and they want to take him all over the world and surf at these exotic places. So he goes, well,
Beau Beard (52:16.142)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (52:39.278)
I'm coming over, I'm gonna fly over to the US, Australian guy, and I'm gonna be there for three weeks. I want you to work on me. I wanna get loose. I'm gonna go back and we're gonna go film for a couple of months. And so I said, fantastic. He came over, we worked on his body. He said he felt looser in his hips than he'd felt since he was 16 years old. I'll never forget it. And he goes, I can't wait to go on this trip. I'm frothing.
And so he goes on this trip and Bo, I blew it. I blew that situation because two weeks into his trip, surfing better than he's surfed since he was on tour and he blows out his ACL. And Bo, is my, this is kind of the punchline here. We took him through posture, breath, mobility. We didn't take him through stability.
test his body in extreme positions where he could coordinate his brain with his breath, with his movement. And he was surfing so hard, so strong, new range of motion, right? Improved range of motion. His body wasn't physiologically prepared for that new range of motion, took him beyond his normal physiological range and blew out his ACL. And I had to eat that one and call him up and say, hey, Mick, I think that was me, man. I think that's on me.
And, you know, he was, course, as gracious as any world champ I've ever met. And we continue to work together. But that was my big aha moment. Like, just because someone's got that range of motion back in there and a super elite athlete doesn't mean that they didn't, that they've connected their nervous system to that new motion. So word of caution for everybody. And that's why I go through that list and I don't put one thing in front of the other because they weren't ready for it.
He was out there loading an area that had improved mobility, but it wasn't stable yet. That's on me.
Beau Beard (54:40.142)
Yeah, which I think there's two huge lessons to take away from that. One is practicing what you preach in terms of doing, I'm guilty of that sometimes too. You teach about something in a seminar, you're talking to people in our profession about something, then you go in your treatment room and you maybe take a shortcut or it's like you didn't flesh it out as far as you would in the rubric that you've built in your mind, because you're like, we're just kind of going through it. The other one is the ownership.
whether it's true or not, right? That's the thing that we can't determine. You can say and you can think and we would all feel this, I would feel the same way. And I've felt like that there have been scenarios with a, you high school athlete where you're like, I think I opened a window and I that created something because it's a good window, you know, for perceivably. But the ownership, I think the ownership there, if you're going to work at the level that you are pro athlete,
Dr Tim Brown (55:12.558)
Yeah, right.
Dr Tim Brown (55:23.779)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (55:27.458)
Right, right.
Beau Beard (55:34.314)
executive level, like extreme ownership, like Jocko Willenick would say is a necessity because if not, then they may question was that Tim and you're like, well, I'm to take it whether it me or not, I'm gonna take it. Right. And then I think that just eases everything. Like you said, luckily, you know, mix a great guy. There was no ill will but even if there was, you know, at least you've cleared your conscious to like man, it was me.
Dr Tim Brown (55:47.299)
Yeah.
Dr Tim Brown (55:55.481)
Yeah. Well, and once you put it out there, you know, you've now created a correction potentially for that never happening again, because I know for me, I mean, I'm just I get chicken skin thinking about it. You know, I'm very sincere with my people. And for me to have caused anybody harm, you know, and especially that, you know, six to nine month break, I just put them on having to go through that, you know, anybody's gone through ACL stuff like you probably have. know I have.
Beau Beard (56:09.176)
Mm-hmm.
Dr Tim Brown (56:25.44)
and that's no party. you I mean, you remember that stuff and you're sincere about it. It won't happen again. I promise.
Beau Beard (56:29.806)
Yeah, one of those things, mean, but those are lessons. Like we all have little lessons and some of us have big lessons and you just, you mark them and you're like, okay, I got it. And it's, that's no different than having personal injuries that allow you to speak to people's injuries. Or I'm gonna be honest with you, when I've had a plethora of injuries, I know how to treat injuries better, feeling it myself, knowing what led to it, what did I do? Not that I become,
Dr Tim Brown (56:35.48)
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Beau Beard (56:56.642)
bias towards what worked for me, but you have a better understanding of it. So I think being in those scenarios, you have to be in to basically improve the person, especially at this high of a level. Which speaking about that high of a level, from what I see again online, because I'm not talking to you on a weekly basis, and so I'm just kind of pulling things from social media, it looks like you're now kind of jumping into, I saw this executive retreat which was mouth-watering to me, I was like, God.
Basically, it looks like, know, kind of I wish I would have taken the opportunity to go to one of Layard's XPT events back when I almost pulled the trigger and I didn't, which I still kick myself about. But like executive retreats, you're obviously teaching. I see, you know, local and kind of seminars around the country. You're involved with things like gymnastics. what what stokes you the most now? Is it still one on one with a person? Is it now getting to share more on these like?
Dr Tim Brown (57:31.086)
Ha
Beau Beard (57:52.726)
general levels where you're with a group of people, like what is the thing that revs your engine the most now?
Dr Tim Brown (57:58.53)
Gosh, I think it's the same things that I always have. Being able to help somebody and make a difference makes a difference in my life too. Being able to bring people up, being able to teach them some of the things that I've learned. I mean, I spent a lot of nights on a lot of couches, you know, in a lot of exotic places around the world, trying to do my best to learn from the athletes, those professionals that are around me. And then...
and then take that information and turn it into usable words where people can actually get lessons from it and be able to alter their own lives and their own trajectory. Whether it's athlete or a chiropractic or physical therapy student, even the medical students now are coming around and wanting to learn this stuff, which is just super exciting. And I'm really excited for this new group of
of young doctors that are coming out, that are able to embrace everything that's around them and recognize that it's not one thing that makes you healthy. It's everything. You have to look at the whole person. You can't look at a shoulder and treat a shoulder and expect them to get the best results in the shortest amount of time possible if you're not looking at the whole person. How are they sleeping? How are they hydrating?
All those things, simple, simple questions. All your answers lie in the history. So taking a really good history about their lifestyle, not just the injuries they've had, but how they treated their injuries. Did they treat their injuries? I know if I get asked that question, it's like, you know, I spit on it, I rub a little dirt on there and I got told to get my ass back out there. So I never saw an injury completion to, you know, all the way to fruition.
So I've got a lot of memories in my body that I'm still trying to catch up with and eliminate through better movement. So again, I think the most powerful platform that we can stand on is the one that we live. It's the most genuine, it's the most authentic, and you may not have all the answers. And let me tell you something super secret, okay? You're never gonna know it all. And the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know anything.
Dr Tim Brown (01:00:23.178)
relative to what there is to know. That's humbling for me every day, but it's still, I'm not discouraged to learn more. You know, it just lets me know there's a whole bunch more to learn. And basically all you gotta do is turn around with an open eye and open ears, and you're probably gonna pick something up that's really important. And also learning from your patients. You know, their words are where the answers lie. And it's your ability or your inability to ask good questions
that'll allow this information to come right to you. You know, it'll save you a lot of work if you're asking a lot of questions.
Beau Beard (01:01:00.46)
There was another quote buried in there from another OG of Carol Leavitt of all the answers lie in the history of so like I mean, there's no better way to wrap the show up with this soliloquy that you just said right there. But yeah, it's it's lived history for somebody like you for me. Like you have lived it from being an athlete, literally catapulting your athletic career into a professional career as a chiropractor and a sports medicine practitioner to now and not now.
the whole way teaching, whether it's teaching your athletes about how to be healthier, teaching other professionals how to maybe learn some of the things that you've learned along the way and then learning from them just side by side. But that's what I hope anybody that was, maybe had not heard of Dr. Tim Brown or has, but maybe hasn't heard some of the spin on it of living basically the truest version of you.
regardless of what you're doing in life is always gonna work out the best for you. And you've said that 10 different ways today of like speak what you know, tell them the truth, know, like you're never gonna know it all. Like there's so much just stark truth there that that's what we need to realize. Like having of mind, stay curious. Like that's what energizes you. I think that's what energizes a lot of us that are in this profession is that curious nature of like, what is going on? What can we do better? What can we do different? That's why we're maybe here in the first place.
Dr Tim Brown (01:02:22.82)
Mm hmm. Okay.
Beau Beard (01:02:23.724)
But before we sign off, there, I always ask these questions, so I'm gonna ask them in a broad term and I'll let you pick. So I usually ask them singularly, but let's ask them together and I'll let you pick one. So is there either something, whether it's in our profession or in general life, that you've held true for a long time that you're like, I've completely changed my mind on that, or vice versa?
Is there something you're like, I know this is the way it is and there's just no peer reviewed literature or a study or a textbook that has defined it today. Is there anything on either side of that spectrum that really stands out before we sign off?
Dr Tim Brown (01:02:58.281)
Well, we need another hour, I think, on that one, brother. But I'll just, I'll leave you with this one because I think it's really important and it speaks to curiosity.
Beau Beard (01:03:00.43)
I could talk to you for hours.
Dr Tim Brown (01:03:11.292)
you will never ever lose in life unless you lose the lesson. So there's always something to learn. And I really learned that not the phrase, but I learned the philosophy from Kobe Bryant in that, you know, he didn't play to win. He played to learn. And as long as he was learning, he was never losing. And so I just I think that's a great thing to leave people with is don't be afraid of doing new stuff. Don't be afraid of, you know, taking a chance and
ending up not being able to be successful right off the jump. As long as there's a lesson in it, you're moving forward. And then also just help your brothers and your sisters, bring them up the ladder.
Beau Beard (01:03:51.074)
Yeah, the infinite game. I mean, A, I can't thank you enough. I hope everybody that listened realized why I was so stoked to have you on the show. I mean, you are a wealth of knowledge, both in life and professional. And yeah, I'm serious, not because of this conversation, but I need to make my way out to the West Coast or maybe I can talk my wife into going to Hawaii to some class of yours here soon. So hopefully I can see you person here sometime soon.
Dr Tim Brown (01:04:00.764)
Thanks, Bo.
Dr Tim Brown (01:04:15.584)
that's great. And that place in Hawaii is probably one of the greatest places, greatest properties I've ever seen in the whole world. It's incredible. What the Hawaiians call mana coming out of the earth, the energy that's coming out of the earth there is unsurpassed. So I hope to see you there, my man. Good luck with that conversation with your wife.
Beau Beard (01:04:37.898)
I'll let you know, you'll know how it goes. You'll receive it or you won't. So thank you so much again. And yeah, we'll put links to everything so you can see what we're talking about with the executive retreats and SPRT and everything that Dr. Tim has and is still involved with. So thank you again so much. Really appreciate it.
Dr Tim Brown (01:04:54.429)
Hey, Bo, thank you. Thank you for all you're doing for the profession. Thank you for bringing us all the hacks into the living rooms of some of these young pups. And like I said, I'm sincere in that if somebody has any questions, anything I can help them with, I'm wide open to it. And thank you for being part of our progression, buddy. It's much, much better with you in it.
Beau Beard (01:05:16.92)
Means a lot. Appreciate it, man. Have a great day. Take care.
Dr Tim Brown (01:05:18.579)
Thank you. You too, my man. You too.
